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Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:40
by THEMAX
I don't know you opinion but some countries may try to protect some peoples, i don't think this sense of permission may be allowed.

Atlantean Emperor Astral Ekho

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:41
by RyanVJ
TheOracle wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:39
The agents are only allowed to enter a certain country if permitted by the government of the country.
Yeah, having an agency like that is kinda shady in someways, so nations have the right to refuse in order to protect their sovereignity.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:42
by THEMAX
but what if the sovereignity of theses states may hide a threat to world peace?

my opinion is still the same, a UN agent may be able to be sent to foreign countries even if they don't nessecary agree.

Atlantean Emperor Astral Ekho

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:47
by RyanVJ
We respect the opinion of the emperor but if the secret service would have the right to enter nations without their consent or knowledge then we think that we cannot support the proposition.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:48
by TheOracle
We will leave the United Nations if the UN agents can go to any member nations and just do an espionage.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:52
by THEMAX
RyanVJ wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:47
We respect the opinion of the emperor but if the secret service would have the right to enter nations without their consent or knowledge then we think that we cannot support the proposition.
when Naszepolis didn't allowed UN agents to enter their territory, it resulted in a terrorist attack on our citizens because of a naszepolian terrorist protected by his government, is that what you want for your childrens? countries that protect terrorists? countries that protect criminals? well, i am young, i am only 22 years old, but i don't want a world where my family, my citizens or my government will be the main target of many terrorists supported by countries. My opinion is still the same .

Atlantean Emperor Astral Ekho

That is my opinion. but in fact, i will do a step forward... i officially allow the UN agents to step on my lands without my nessecary autorisation.
I think the UN assembly should do a meeting about that.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:55
by RyanVJ
We suggest turning thus into a treaty where only signatory nations that agree to its founding can this all entry option apply. As said we are afraid that this might be a step into a world government which can diminish the idea of a nation state. The worst possibble scenario is Arizelon along with Svostine leaving the UN but for now it would be a far fetched scenario.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:56
by THEMAX
you are true.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 17:59
by RyanVJ
THEMAX wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:56
you are true.
Umm thanks (idk what that meant sorry)

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 18:00
by THEMAX
RyanVJ wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:59
THEMAX wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:56
you are true.
Umm thanks (idk what that meant sorry)
no problem, that simply mean i agree with you

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 18:04
by Ace_TFC
THEMAX wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:42
but what if the sovereignity of theses states may hide a threat to world peace?

my opinion is still the same, a UN agent may be able to be sent to foreign countries even if they don't nessecary agree.

Atlantean Emperor Astral Ekho
As we've said before and we'll say it again. Sending an agent to foreign countries without consent is a violation of a country's sovereignty.
RyanVJ wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:55
We suggest turning thus into a treaty where only signatory nations that agree to its founding can this all entry option apply. As said we are afraid that this might be a step into a world government which can diminish the idea of a nation state. The worst possibble scenario is Arizelon along with Svostine leaving the UN but for now it would be a far fetched scenario.
It would be better if the treaty was under the UN since the UN has jurisdiction compared to other international organizations. Rhinestone would as well leave the UN if this were to happen.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 18:07
by Ace_TFC
THEMAX wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:52
RyanVJ wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 17:47
We respect the opinion of the emperor but if the secret service would have the right to enter nations without their consent or knowledge then we think that we cannot support the proposition.
when Naszepolis didn't allowed UN agents to enter their territory, it resulted in a terrorist attack on our citizens because of a naszepolian terrorist protected by his government, is that what you want for your childrens? countries that protect terrorists? countries that protect criminals? well, i am young, i am only 22 years old, but i don't want a world where my family, my citizens or my government will be the main target of many terrorists supported by countries. My opinion is still the same .

Atlantean Emperor Astral Ekho

That is my opinion. but in fact, i will do a step forward... i officially allow the UN agents to step on my lands without my nessecary autorisation.
I think the UN assembly should do a meeting about that.
If this were to happen to other states then the UN has nothing to lose since it's the country's decision to not allow the agents to enter the country. It would only be a problem if the terrorist would leave the country and enter a sovereign country since it has jurisdiction over the person.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 18:46
by THEMAX
After today Atlantean galactic assembly session that you can find here : https://theotown.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 02#p100702
it was agreed that the atlantean empire will send 4 carriers groups to United Nations, this will allow more care packages and a more efficient humanitarian and peace keeping system. we also admirate their choice about making their 6th carrier group a museum but i believe giving a whole carrier group to Samarians islands is too much , even if they got same pacifics goals as we are, they are still a country that have his own interests.

Secretary's general Williams Oxford

Re: United Nations

Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 22:34
by THEMAX
After thinking some hours, Atlantean Emperor Astral Ekho put his veto on the new law wich was immediatly canceled. There wont be UN agents

Re: United Nations

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:11
by THEMAX
Leaving UN wont be a nessecity anymore since the law that violated states sovereignity has been canceled by UAGF galactic assembly veto. .

Re: United Nations

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:11
by RyanVJ
Arizelon Senate rejected the proposal to revoke our membership. Arizelon will stay with the UN.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 15:02
by TheOracle
Greetings from Svostine,
My nation has decided to leave the United Nations for the reason of the organisation being useless during the past events. However, the country would just become an observer, if possible.

Former Svostine UN Representative,
Elizabeth Hamilton.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 15:11
by THEMAX
Fine, I wish you a good future, you will stay a member ( because all states are members like in real life ) but will leave eligible member of security council and will remain observer member.

Re: United Nations

Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:43
by THEMAX
Message to Valkyrie Union, if you send your troops , we will try to establish a coalition against you, if you attack svostine ( even if they aren’t member ) or any former crotonese colony, we won’t stand and do nothing... unfortunately, UAGF announced they won’t intervene in any war

Re: United Nations

Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:28
by THEMAX
3 000 000 peacekeeping forces sent by UAGF to renforce UN